supported apartheid was unjust. he stood as a symbol of someone standing for justice at all costs. reconciliation is something that he leaves with us as well. you must tell the truth. you must have a fuel hearing. everyone deserves justice. we need to put aside our differences and do the very best that we can as individuals, and i think what he showed is he did give his best and the nation was born in part because of that. for americans it's a lesson of how much power we have, if you will, to change policies when we disagree with them. >> talk about your work or trans-africa's work. how difficult a fight was it? >> well, you know, it's interesting because, you know, for so many people, especially young people, they think it was a fait accompli, that apartheid would beoverturned.